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Jaký máš názor na nominaci gaye Gena Robinsona na úřad biskupa?
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"Jaký máš názor na nominaci gaye Gena Robinsona na úřad biskupa?" | Přihlásit/Vytvořit účet | 11 komentáře |
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Re: Jaký máš názor na nominaci gaye Gena Robinsona na úřad b (Skóre: 1) Vložil: tomas15 (holytomas15@seznam.cz) v Pondělí, 27. říjen 2003 @ 13:09:34 CET (O uživateli | Poslat zprávu) | nechci byt podezrivavy, ale zdalo se mi, ze behem 1 dne (mozna dokonce tak behem 1 hodiny ve stredu 22. rijna) se v teto ankete nahle obevilo vice nez 20 novych hlasu podporujicich 1ni a 2hou variantu, ktere vyrazne ovlivnily vysledky ankety.
Bylo by technicky mozne umoznit kazdemu uzivateli (pocitaci) hlasovat jen jednou? |
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Re: Jaký máš názor na nominaci gaye Gena Robinsona na úřad b (Skóre: 1) Vložil: wollek v Pondělí, 27. říjen 2003 @ 14:16:47 CET (O uživateli | Poslat zprávu) | Dobrá připomínka!!
Nevím, zda to systém umožňuje, ale určitě by to bylo objektivnější a ankety měly větší vypovídací schopnost. Sám se klidně přiznám k tomu, že jsem hlasoval právě jednou a to pro první variantu. |
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Re: Jaký máš názor na nominaci gaye Gena Robinsona na úřad b (Skóre: 1) Vložil: Tomas v Úterý, 28. říjen 2003 @ 10:49:17 CET (O uživateli | Poslat zprávu) http://www.granosalis.cz | Technicky je možné anketu ovlivnit, ale musel bych to udělat já přímo v databázi. Ještě by to mohl udělat Štěpán, který má přístupová práva, ale zase nezná příkazy SQL, kterými by to bylo možné udělat. No a já to nebyl, jednak nemám žádný zájem jakkoliv ovlivňovat výsledky a za druhé, deklarujeme, že GranoSalis je prostor se svobodou vyjádření, a s tím jde ruku v ruce to, že zde není cenzura (Až na výjimky jako je etika, meze zákona apod. Doposud nebyla takto cenzura použita.).
Takže to vypadá, že to opravdu byli uživatelé Grana. Ono to totiž není nemožné. Ve chvíli kdy píšu tento komentář je nás tady přes dvacet a během hodiny se jistě uživatelé vystřídají. No a ve zmiňovaném období se pohybují zobrazené stránky v intervalu 1000 až 1300 stránek za jeden den.
Ještě jedna možnost by byla, že by to udělal někdo zvenku. Jenže proč by nějakej hacker chtěl zrovna přidat do nějaký ankety 20 hlasů. To postrádá logiku. |
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Re: Jaký máš názor na nominaci gaye Gena Robinsona na úřad b (Skóre: 1) Vložil: Tomas v Úterý, 28. říjen 2003 @ 11:00:25 CET (O uživateli | Poslat zprávu) http://www.granosalis.cz | Ještě jsem zapoměl napsat, že ankety fungují tak, že lze hlasovat z každého počítače v dané anketě pouze jednou. To lze samozřejmě obejít, tím že smaži informaci cookies ve svém počítači. Ale, kdo se někdy díval, kolik cookies má každý v kompu, tak by dotyčný musel prohledávat poměrně dosti sušenek, nebo je smazat všechny. Ale to by se zase musel všude znova přihlašovat. Takže tato cesta je trochu nepraktická. Ale je možná. Samozřejmě by šlo udělat zabezpečení hlasovaní ještě třeba podle IP adresy, ale to by zase bylo nepraktické, protože mnoho IP je sdílených, takže by dost lidí mohlo mít smůlu. |
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Re: Jaký máš názor na nominaci gaye Gena Robinsona na úřad b (Skóre: 1) Vložil: tomas15 (holytomas15@seznam.cz) v Úterý, 28. říjen 2003 @ 11:51:30 CET (O uživateli | Poslat zprávu) | aha, ja sem si tedka vyzkousel, ze z jednoho pocitace muzu hlasovat opravdu jen jednou, takze pripoustim, ze me podezreni bylo patrne neopravnene.... Omlouvam se, omlouvam se! |
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Re: Jaký máš názor na nominaci gaye Gena Robinsona na úřad b (Skóre: 1) Vložil: wollek v Úterý, 28. říjen 2003 @ 12:19:56 CET (O uživateli | Poslat zprávu) | Je-li to vázáno na cookies nebo na IP není to dobré řešení. Mělo by to být vázáno na uživatelské jméno, jak to mají nyní třeba na wwww.staniceo.cz. Zrovna jsem si zkusit odhlásit a hlasovat jako host (pro volbu 2) a jeden hlas skutečně přibyl. Takže zde může přijít kdejaký anonym nekřesťan a nacvakat do ankety, co bude chtít. |
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Re: Jaký máš názor na nominaci gaye Gena Robinsona na úřad b (Skóre: 1) Vložil: Tomas v Úterý, 28. říjen 2003 @ 17:56:32 CET (O uživateli | Poslat zprávu) http://www.granosalis.cz | Hlasování v anketě je vázáno pouze cookies. Je to zatím asi nejlepší řešení. Dělat to na login se mi zdá dost omezující pro anonymní příchozí. Nevidím důvod, proč by nemohli hlasovat anonymní uživatelé, ať křesťani nebo nekřesťani, když už škatulkujem. Uživatelé Grana, kteří jsou registrovaní, jsou z celého spektra společnosti, od nekřesťanů, až po charizmatiky a já nevím koho ještě. Na Grano chodí dost lidí, kteří nejsou zaregistrovaní a ani registraci nechtějí.
Přestože je někdo v Granu jako anonym, může hlasovat pouze jednou (cookies). Omezení přes IP omezí některé uživatele neoprávněně, omezení přes login nemá opodstatnění. No a kdybych vymyslel něco jinýho, stejně by se to dalo obejít, jako ostatně všechno. Cookies byly vymyšleny právě kvůli jakémusi orazítkování počítače pro potřeby loginů, anket a jiných aplikací, vyžadujících to, že počítač akci provedl. Třeba, že se museli uživatelé prokousat testíkem při příležitosti dvou let Granosalis. Každej prohlížeč cookies řeší práci s nima jinak. Hledat to je ale děs.
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